Mapa linguístico no ano 900
Neste mapa podem observar facilmente qual é a origem da língua que falamos actualmente. Infelizmente a nossa língua sofreu depois algumas influências do árabe devido à conquista de territórios mais a sul, no Al-Andaluz. Por mim essas influências muçulmanas, presentes por exemplo na grande maioria das palavras começadas por “Al” (e não só nestas) deveriam ser pura e simplesmente eliminadas dos nossos dicionários.
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haha tu keres mesmo foder os gajos do Sul. Acho que os deixaste sem argumentos com este e com o post anterior.
Vamos la ver se eles continuam a inventar desta vez..
Eu quero é "foder" a herança arabe, por mim toda e qualquer herança muçulmana deve ser destruida, mesmo a nivel linguistico.
lol diz isso aos gajos do Sul k fazem festivais arabes e estao orgulhosos do seu passado arabe e do pouco sangue k têm deles.
Se podessem faziam uma transfusao de sangue para ficarem com mais lol esta foi mto seca.
Anonymous... não metas os gajos do Sul todos no mesmo saco. Uma coisa são os gajos do sul, outra são os imigrantes que para cá vieram. Aliás a norte do rio Douro tambem tem ido bastante gente de África e não só. Voçês tem de ter cuidado senão qualquer dia terão herança africana..lol.
E olha lá, muitos dos que vivem a sul do rio Douro não são mais que descendentes daqueles que se refugiaram no norte da Península Ibérica. Essas gentes que depois se foram instalando novamente em seu territórios foram encontrando os seus ancestrais descendentes ( Lusitanos), sim esses mesmos que constituiram sempre a base de toda a população entre Douro e Tejo. Se formos a analisar bem a coisa, diria que a raça mais antiga do actual territorio portugues é a Lusitana ( se lerem sobre isso verão que mesmo a nivel fisiologico a matriz está sempre lá).
Para entre os Galegos haver tanta gente de olhos azuis e mais altos isso só denota uma influencia mais Celta e mais tarde de povos como Visigodos e Suevos. Os Lusitanos são celtiberos celtas + iberos...logo Iberos eram povos que já existam na Peninsula muitos seculos antes da chegada dos celtas. Isto tudo para dizer que se eu vir isto tudo numa perspectiva historica através dos tempos, tenho que admitir que os Celtas são invasores tambem, logo foram invadir territorio de Iberos. LOgo se calhar os Lusitanos até são mais puros que os Galegos pois pertençem a uma raça que nunca se misturou tanto com os celtas como aconteceu no norte da Peninsula. Mas pronto não vou aqui dizer quem é mais puro ou quem não é menos puro.
Apenas defendo o meu ponto de vista.
Abraços Lusitanos
retirar os vocabulos arabes do a nossa lingua
alem de ser uma cretinice de 1ª um povo que não aceirta e treconhece a influÊncia de outros esta condenado ao fracasso
como dirias
alfaçe
odeleite odexeixe
almada
ps devias informar-te melhor da contribuição do islão no mundo ocidental
desde a astronomia a gastronomia
qual é a lingua latina pura que existe hoje ?
E que tal remover o críoula da nossa língua?Não era bem melhor? :)
llooolll..almada pra já teria outro nome qualquer..o mesmo se passaria em relaçao a alface e odeleite...
Em relação aos contributos do Islão, os poucos que houveram pararam quando os Europeus começaram a sair da Idade Média.
A religião Islamita só tem um propósito: Expansão pela forçade armas e pela conquista.
Até nisso os Europeus já evoluiram..lllol
Para quem se apoia, de que é superior porque o sul tem mais influencia arabe que o norte.
Aconcelho-os a estudarem melhor a história.
Pois na época da reconquista a parte islamica da Peninsúla, estava nivel de desenvolvomento,cultural e organização, a anos de luz dos estados cristãos.
Em que estavam na idade das trevas e do fanatismo religioso.
A que ver que o islão dessa altura nada tem ver com islão de hoje em dia.
Pois parece que os papeis se inverteram.
Os cristãos evoluirám e os mulçumanos voltaram para idade média.
TT
Essa história de que o Islão era mais avançado do que o mundo europeu e depois ficou para trás, está muito mal explicada.
E está mal explicada porque é uma treta.
Se fossem civilizacionalmente superiores, os Mouros não teriam sido derrotados e expulsos da Ibéria.
Além do mais, isto é uma questão simples como poucas.
Num compartimento, está uma vaca, uma galinha e um ovo.
Quem pôs o ovo, a vaca ou a galinha?
Se não se souber quem é que põe ovos, se a vaca se a galinha, então coloque-se a vaca num compartimento fechado e a galinha noutro - ver-se-á então quem é que põe ovos.
Isto para dizer que os muçulmanos, enquanto estiveram em território europeu, eram imensamente civilizados; mas, quando dele foram expulsos, estagnaram e foram largamente ultrapassados pelos Ocidentais.
Coincidência, não é?
Os Ocidentais eram «mais atrasados» do que os muçulmanos, mas quando se livraram da proximidade destes, continuaram a evoluir, e até evoluíram mais depressa...
Quanto à suposta tolerância muçulmana, é outra mentira. Houve massacres de cristãos e de judeus na Península Ibérica cometidos por muçulmanos. Os não muçulmanos eram tratados como cidadãos inferiores, e se algum deles fazia mal a um islâmico, não era só ele que pagava caro, mas também toda a sua família e cidade.
Fica aqui este importante texto histórico (longo, mas compensatório, leiam...) sobre a verdadeira história do domínio islâmico na Península Ibérica, com os seus massacres e leis discriminatórias. Espero que algum camarada especialmente anglófono, ou que pelo menos entenda Inglês, se chegue à frente para traduzir o texto (senão, vou ter de o fazer eu, quando arranjar tempo, que remédio).
Eis então o artigo:
On Sunday, April 18, 2004, this revealing exchange took place between outgoing Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, and interviewer Chris Wallace of FoxNews:
Chris Wallace: “In the apartment that was blown up, police found a videotape in which the bombers referred to Spain as Andalusia, what it was called by the Muslim Moors before they were driven out in 1492.”
Jose Maria Aznar (through the translator): “So this means that Iraq, for them, was just a pretext. In the eyes of Islamic terrorism, it looks at the West, and Spain is a very special part of this parcel, because they feel that to recover Spain is to get back some of their territory.”
Islamic scholar Mordechai Nisan recently discussed the contention by the founder of the Institute of Islamic Education, M. Amir Ali, that Medieval Spain had actually been "liberated" by Muslim forces, who "deposed its tyrants". Nisan extrapolated this ahistorical narrative line, and pondered:
"Reflecting on March 11, as Muslim terrorism killed 200 and wounded 1,400 in Madrid, one wonders whether one day this event will also not be commemorated as a liberating moment. "
Events surrounding the completion of the new Granada Mosque, which was marked by celebratory announcements July 10, 2003 of a “…return of Islam to Spain”, were also consistent with Nisan's dark musings. At a conference entitled “Islam in Europe” that accompanied the opening of the mosque, disconcerting statements were made by European Muslim leaders. Specifically, the keynote speaker at this conference, Umar Ibrahim Vadillo, a Spanish Muslim leader, encouraged Muslims to cause an economic collapse of Western economies (by ceasing to use Western currencies, and switching to gold dinars), while the German Muslim leader Abu Bakr Rieger told Muslim attendees to avoid adapting their Islamic religious practices to accommodate European (i.e., Western Enlightenment?) values.
Shortly after this event, a Wall Street Journal editorialist in a grossly distorted encomium to Muslim Spain, mentioned the “pan-confessional humanism” of Andalusian Islam, and even asserted: "one could argue that the oft-bewailed missing ‘reformation’ of Islam was under way there until it was aborted by the Inquisition."
María Rosa Menocal, Yale Professor of Spanish and Portuguese, in her 2002 hagiography of Muslim Spain, The Ornament of the World, has further maintained that "the new Islamic polity not only allowed Jews and Christians to survive, but following Qur’anic mandate, by and large protected them."
We believe that reiterating these ahistorical, roseate claims about Muslim Spain abets the contemporary Islamist agenda, and retards the evolution of a liberal, reformed “Euro-Islam” fully compatible with post-Enlightenment Western values.
Iberia (Spain) was conquered in 710-716 AD by Arab tribes originating from northern, central and southern Arabia. Massive Berber and Arab immigration, and the colonization of the Iberian peninsula, followed the conquest. Most churches were converted into mosques. Although the conquest had been planned and conducted jointly with a strong faction of royal Iberian Christian dissidents, including a bishop, it proceeded as a classical jihad with massive pillages, enslavement, deportations and killings.
Toledo, which had first submitted to the Arabs in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. The town was punished by pillage and all the notables had their throats cut. In 730, the Cerdagne (in Septimania, near Barcelona) was ravaged and a bishop burned alive. In the regions under stable Islamic control, Jews and Christians were tolerated as dhimmis - like elsewhere in other Islamic lands - and could not build new churches or synagogues nor restore the old ones. Segregated in special quarters, they had to wear discriminatory clothing. Subjected to heavy taxes, the Christian peasantry formed a servile class attached to the Arab domains; many abandoned their land and fled to the towns. Harsh reprisals with mutilations and crucifixions* would sanction the Mozarab (Christian dhimmis) calls for help from the Christian kings. Moreover, if one dhimmi harmed a Muslim, the whole community would lose its status of protection, leaving it open to pillage, enslavement and arbitrary killing.
By the end of the eighth century, the rulers of North Africa and of Andalusia had introduced Malikism, one of the most rigorous schools of Islamic jurisprudence, and subsequently repressed the other Muslim schools of law. Three quarters of a century ago, at a time when political correctness was not dominating historical publication and discourse, Evariste Lévi-Provençal, the pre-eminent scholar of Andalusia, wrote: "The Muslim Andalusian state thus appears from its earliest origins as the defender and champion of a jealous orthodoxy, more and more ossified in a blind respect for a rigid doctrine, suspecting and condemning in advance the least effort of rational speculation."
The humiliating status imposed on the dhimmis and the confiscation of their land provoked many revolts, punished by massacres, as in Toledo (761, 784-86, 797). After another Toledan revolt in 806, seven hundred inhabitants were executed. Insurrections erupted in Saragossa from 781 to 881, Cordova (805), Merida (805-813, 828 and the following year, and later in 868), and yet again in Toledo (811-819); the insurgents were crucified, as prescribed in Qur’an 5:33*.
The revolt in Cordova of 818 was crushed by three days of massacres and pillage, with 300 notables crucified and 20 000 families expelled. Feuding was endemic in the Andalusian cities between the different sectors of the population: Arab and Berber colonizers, Iberian Muslim converts (Muwalladun) and Christian dhimmis (Mozarabs). There were rarely periods of peace in the Amirate of Cordova (756-912), nor later.
Al-Andalus represented the land of jihad par excellence. Every year, sometimes twice a year, raiding expeditions were sent to ravage the Christian Spanish kingdoms to the north, the Basque regions, or France and the Rhone valley, bringing back booty and slaves. Andalusian corsairs attacked and invaded along the Sicilian and Italian coasts, even as far as the Aegean Islands, looting and burning as they went. Thousands of people were deported to slavery in Andalusia, where the caliph kept a militia of tens of thousand of Christian slaves brought from all parts of Christian Europe (the Saqaliba), and a harem filled with captured Christian women. Society was sharply divided along ethnic and religious lines, with the Arab tribes at the top of the hierarchy, followed by the Berbers who were never recognized as equals, despite their Islamization; lower in the scale came the mullawadun converts and, at the very bottom, the dhimmi Christians and Jews.
The Andalusian Maliki jurist Ibn Abdun (d. 1134) offered these telling legal opinions regarding Jews and Christians in Seville around 1100 C.E.: "No…Jew or Christian may be allowed to wear the dress of an aristocrat, nor of a jurist, nor of a wealthy individual; on the contrary they must be detested and avoided. It is forbidden to [greet] them with the [expression], ‘Peace be upon you’. In effect, ‘Satan has gained possession of them, and caused them to forget God’s warning. They are the confederates of Satan’s party; Satan’s confederates will surely be the losers!’ (Qur’an 58:19 [modern Dawood translation]). A distinctive sign must be imposed upon them in order that they may be recognized and this will be for them a form of disgrace."
Ibn Abdun also forbade the selling of scientific books to dhimmis, under the pretext that they translated them and attributed them to their co-religionists and bishops. In fact, plagiarism is difficult to prove since whole Jewish and Christian libraries were looted and destroyed. Another prominent Andalusian jurist, Ibn Hazm of Cordoba (d. 1064), wrote that Allah has established the infidels’ ownership of their property merely to provide booty for Muslims.
In Granada, the Jewish viziers Samuel Ibn Naghrela and his son Joseph, who protected the Jewish community, were both assassinated between 1056 to 1066, followed by the annihilation of the Jewish population by the local Muslims. It is estimated that up to five thousand Jews perished in the pogrom by Muslims that accompanied the 1066 assassination. This figure equals or exceeds the number of Jews reportedly killed by the Crusaders during their pillage of the Rhineland, some thirty years later, at the outset of the First Crusade.
The Granada pogrom was likely to have been incited, in part, by the bitter anti-Jewish ode of Abu Ishaq, a well known Muslim jurist and poet of the times, who wrote: "Put them back where they belong and reduce them to the lowest of the low..turn your eyes to other [Muslim] countries and you will find the Jews there are outcast dogs...Do not consider it a breach of faith to kill them...They have violated our covenant with them so how can you be held guilty against the violators?"
The Muslim Berber Almohads in Spain and North Africa (1130-1232) wreaked enormous destruction on both the Jewish and Christian populations. This devastation- massacre, captivity, and forced conversion- was described by the Jewish chronicler Abraham Ibn Daud, and the poet Abraham Ibn Ezra. Suspicious of the sincerity of the Jewish converts to Islam, Muslim “inquisitors” (i.e., antedating their Christian Spanish counterparts by three centuries) removed the children from such families, placing them in the care of Muslim educators. Maimonides, the renowned philosopher and physician, experienced the Almohad persecutions, and had to flee Cordoba with his entire family in 1148, temporarily residing in Fez — disguised as a Muslim — before finding asylum in Fatimid Egypt.
Indeed, although Maimonides is frequently referred to as a paragon of Jewish achievement facilitated by the enlightened rule of Andalusia, his own words debunk this utopian view of the Islamic treatment of Jews: "..the Arabs have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us...Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they.."
A valid summary assessment of interfaith relationships in Muslim Spain, and the contemporary currents responsible for obfuscating that history, can be found in Richard Fletcher's engaging Moorish Spain. Mr. Fletcher offers these sobering, unassailable observations:
"The witness of those who lived through the horrors of the Berber conquest, of the Andalusian fitnah in the early eleventh century, of the Almoravid invasion- to mention only a few disruptive episodes- must give it [i.e., the roseate view of Muslim Spain] the lie. The simple and verifiable historical truth is that Moorish Spain was more often a land of turmoil than it was of tranquility...Tolerance? Ask the Jews of Granada who were massacred in 1066, or the Christians who were deported by the Almoravids to Morocco in 1126 (like the Moriscos five centuries later)…In the second half of the twentieth century a new agent of obfuscation makes its appearance: the guilt of the liberal conscience, which sees the evils of colonialism- assumed rather than demonstrated-foreshadowed in the Christian conquest of al-Andalus and the persecution of the Moriscos (but not, oddly, in the Moorish conquest and colonization). Stir the mix well together and issue it free to credulous academics and media persons throughout the western world. Then pour it generously over the truth…in the cultural conditions that prevail in the west today the past has to be marketed, and to be successfully marketed it has to be attractively packaged. Medieval Spain in a state of nature lacks wide appeal. Self-indulgent fantasies of glamour...do wonders for sharpening up its image. But Moorish Spain was not a tolerant and enlightened society even in its most cultivated epoch."
The socio-political history of Andalusia was characterized by a particularly oppressive dhimmitude that is completely incompatible with modern notions of equality between individuals, regardless of religious faith. At the dawn of the 21st century, we must insist that Muslims in the West adopt post-Enlightenment societal standards of equality, not "tolerance," abandoning forever their hagiography of the brutal, discriminatory standards practiced by the classical Maliki jurists of "enlightened" Andalusia.
*The Noble Qur'an- Three esteemed translations, online:
Sura 005, Verse 033
YUSUF ALI: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"
PICKTHAL: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;"
SHAKIR: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement".
Bat Ye'or, www.dhimmitude.org, www.dhimmi.org , is the author most recently of Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide, and the forthcoming Eurabia.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001665.php
Também o Império romano era por demais superior aos povos barbaros, e também foi derrutado por estes.
TT
Só foi derrubado porque estava decadente - porque estava já cheio de bárbaros.
Grande parte, senão a maior parte, do exército romano era já constituído por estrangeiros.
Mas, antes disso, Roma venceu sempre. Sempre.
Mas isso não invalida que o califádo de Cordoba era superior aos reinos Cristãos do norte, que nem os seus tratava bem.
Ou achas que os Cristãos poupavam as populações conquistadas(independente de serem Mulçumanos,Cristãos ou judeus)
Era tudo morto.
TT
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Portugueses e espanhois são um bando de mestiços. Os ibericos eram negros que invadiram o que hoje são Portugal e Espanha a 3.500 anos atras. Os judeus que eram morenos e hoje são na sua maioria brancos, os ciganos que vieram da India e os arabes que são morenos. Então, os portugueses e espanhois são os mais mestiços da Europa. É muito engraçado ver nazistas portugueses e espanhois mesmo sabendo que voces são mestiços, a intenção dos nazistas germanicos e nordicos é enganar voces e depois que dominarem primeiramente a Europa, irão destruir voces, até porque voces são mestiços, nunca se esqueçam dissos gajos !!!!! kkkkk
Os brancos inventaram tambem o homossexualimo na Grecia, Alexandre o Grande era bissexual, todo homem grego tinha como amante um outro homem e não uma mulher, e foi na ilha de Lesbian na Grecia que surgia as amazonas mulheres que gostavam de mulheres. O homessexualismo dos soldados romanos levou a decadencia do Imperio Romano e a invenção do futebol pelos britanicos foi para que os soldados parassem de praticar o homossexualismo, ou seja, os brancos inventaram o mal na terra, doenças e o homossexualismo. Voces são um bando de mariconas.
Coitado dos brasileiros que foram colonizados pelos portugueses mestiços, corruptos, ladrões, prostitutas, os palhaços da Europa.
A civilização humana nasceu na Mesopotamia (Iraque), pelos povos morenos do Oriente Medio até a India.
Até mesmo os negros eram mais inteligentes que voces, os egipcios eram negros.
Portugal durante 500 anos de colonizaçao e dominação arabe e Espanha 700 anos de dominação do grande povo arabe.
Graças aos arabes voces se tornaram inteligentes, aprenderam até mesmo a conhecer os numeros.
Nomes como Silva, Almeida, Albuquerque, Valença, Moreira entre ouitros são de origem arabe.
Jesus Cristo era moreno e não loura, ele não era europeu. Ele era judeu, naquela epoca os judeus ainda eram morenos. Hoje, a maioria que imigrou para Europa, principalmente para a peninsula Iberica, alemanha, polonia e russia, com isso, surgia o judeu branco, louro, de olhos azuis. Esse, era uns dos motivo de Hitler queria exterminar os judeus, por eles não serem brancos puros.
Coitado mesmo do Brasileiros, voces sao uns coitados seus palhacos.
WOW...Há gente mesmo muito burra... Achas que nos descobrimos o mundo a utilizar instrumentos celtas, deves ser mm idiota... Eu vivo no norte, e a minha familia é de influencia árabe/cigana, axas k eu m ralo um caralho em ser branco de olhos azuis... Vai morrer de cranco de pele e brincar com a tua pilinha branca no cuzinho branco de outro fascista como tu... Saudaçoes de um portugues com orgulho nos antepassados, e no seu pais...
P.S. : se keres culpar alguem culpa os governos k prostituiram a nossa cultura ao ocidente, esse maravilhoso ocidente k nem sabe onde fica portugal... Axo k nos lhes devemos muito sem dúvida...
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